Phillip Pullman's trilogy His Dark Materials is an extended commentary upon this topic.

Spoiler ahead: late in the third book, it is revealed that Jehovah is the bad guy, and Markov (in the role of "dust") is the good guy!

The phrase "his dark materials" is from Milton:

… Into this wilde Abyss, The Womb of nature and perhaps her Grave, Of neither Sea, nor Shore, nor Air, nor Fire, But all these in thir pregnant causes mix't Confus'dly, and which thus must ever fight, Unless th' Almighty Maker them ordain His dark materials to create more Worlds, Into this wilde Abyss the warie fiend Stood on the brink of Hell and look'd a while, Pondering his Voyage...

Phillip Pullman's trilogy His Dark Materials is an extended allegory upon this topic.

Spoiler ahead: late in the third book, it is revealed that Jehovah is the bad guy, and Markov (in the allegorical role of "dust") is the good guy!

The phrase "his dark materials" is from Milton:

… Into this wilde Abyss, The Womb of nature and perhaps her Grave, Of neither Sea, nor Shore, nor Air, nor Fire, But all these in thir pregnant causes mix't Confus'dly, and which thus must ever fight, Unless th' Almighty Maker them ordain His dark materials to create more Worlds, Into this wilde Abyss the warie fiend Stood on the brink of Hell and look'd a while, Pondering his Voyage...

Gosh-golly, I'll keep this thread going, `cuz the topic IMHO is both interesting and important. Just as Wigner inquired as to the "the unreasonable efficacy of mathematics in explaining the physical world", isn't it equally interesting to inquire as to "the unreasonable efficacy of poetry in motivating mathematics"?

To quote Milton again (from Book Two of Paradise Lost):

... Chaos Umpire sits, And by decision more imbroiles the fray By which he Reigns: next him high Arbiter Chance governs all. ...

Crikey --- Milton's "Chaos by decision more imbroiles the fray" anticipates both Shannon's entropy measures and modern chaos theory pretty handily, doesn't it? In the year 1674 (!).

To generalize Lance's question, why is there so much good mathematics in poetry? And what are your favorite examples? Now is the chance for all you Hunting of the Snark fans to start posting!

Just to chest-compress this cardiac-arrested topic one final time, IMHO a book in which several prominent mathematicians each discussed one poem, interpreting it in mathematical terms, would find many readers.

Because isn't it true, that the associative structure of human cognition is such that a practiced ability to "see mathematics in poetry" would necessarily lead to improved ability to "see poetry in mathematics"?

The latter skill, everyone believes is good!

For example, here's an "easy" poetic fragment that applies broadly in mathematics:

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Mending Wall Something there is that doesn't love a wall, That sends the frozen-ground-swell under it And spills the upper boulder in the sun, And make gaps even two can pass abreast. ... Before I built a wall I'd ask to know What I was walling in or walling out, And to whom I was like to give offense.

------- Here's a somewhat harder one, from the Sung Dynasty, which Shing-Tung Yau especially commends to his students:

Looking for her a thousand times In a crowd All of a sudden As I turned my head There she was Standing in the shades of fading lights

In life the future depends not only on the present, but also on the past. So life is not a Markov chain ;-)

ReplyDeleteIt only depends on the present with a broad enough definition of state.

ReplyDeleteWith broad enough definition of the present number of states is not fixed apriori. Hence it is not a markov chain.

ReplyDeleteSo I guess life doesn't take place on a bipartite graph with no self-loops?

ReplyDeleteScott, this is a family blog. We must cherish our innocence.

ReplyDeleteMarkov, for one, seems to have lived on...

Life is a random walk on a cycle

ReplyDelete1. What is the starting vertex?

ReplyDelete2. What is the kolmogorov complexity of this graph?

Here's to small eigenvalues.

ReplyDeletePhillip Pullman's trilogy

ReplyDeleteHis Dark Materialsis an extended commentary upon this topic.Spoiler ahead: late in the third book, it is revealed that Jehovah is the bad guy, and Markov (in the role of "dust") is the good guy!

The phrase "his dark materials" is from Milton:

… Into this wilde Abyss,The Womb of nature and perhaps her Grave,

Of neither Sea, nor Shore, nor Air, nor Fire,

But all these in thir pregnant causes mix't

Confus'dly, and which thus must ever fight,

Unless th' Almighty Maker them ordain

His dark materials to create more Worlds,

Into this wilde Abyss the warie fiend

Stood on the brink of Hell and look'd a while,

Pondering his Voyage...

Phillip Pullman's trilogy

ReplyDeleteHis Dark Materialsis an extended allegory upon this topic.Spoiler ahead: late in the third book, it is revealed that Jehovah is the bad guy, and Markov (in the allegorical role of "dust") is the good guy!

The phrase "his dark materials" is from Milton:

… Into this wilde Abyss,

The Womb of nature and perhaps her Grave,

Of neither Sea, nor Shore, nor Air, nor Fire,

But all these in thir pregnant causes mix't

Confus'dly, and which thus must ever fight,

Unless th' Almighty Maker them ordain

His dark materials to create more Worlds,

Into this wilde Abyss the warie fiend

Stood on the brink of Hell and look'd a while,

Pondering his Voyage...

Gosh-golly, I'll keep this thread going, `cuz the topic IMHO is both interesting and important. Just as Wigner inquired as to the "the unreasonable efficacy of mathematics in explaining the physical world", isn't it equally interesting to inquire as to "the unreasonable efficacy of poetry in motivating mathematics"?

ReplyDeleteTo quote Milton again (from Book Two of

Paradise Lost):... Chaos Umpire sits,And by decision more imbroiles the fray

By which he Reigns: next him high Arbiter

Chance governs all. ...

Crikey --- Milton's

"Chaos by decision more imbroiles the fray"anticipates both Shannon's entropy measures and modern chaos theory pretty handily, doesn't it? In the year 1674 (!).To generalize Lance's question, why is there so much good mathematics in poetry? And what are your favorite examples? Now is the chance for all you

Hunting of the Snarkfans to start posting!Just to chest-compress this cardiac-arrested topic one final time, IMHO a book in which several prominent mathematicians each discussed one poem, interpreting it in mathematical terms, would find many readers.

ReplyDeleteBecause isn't it true, that the associative structure of human cognition is such that a practiced ability to "see mathematics in poetry" would necessarily lead to improved ability to "see poetry in mathematics"?

The latter skill, everyone believes is good!

For example, here's an "easy" poetic fragment that applies broadly in mathematics:

------------

Mending WallSomething there is that doesn't love a wall,That sends the frozen-ground-swell under it

And spills the upper boulder in the sun,

And make gaps even two can pass abreast.

...

Before I built a wall I'd ask to know

What I was walling in or walling out,

And to whom I was like to give offense.

-------

Here's a somewhat harder one, from the Sung Dynasty, which Shing-Tung Yau especially commends to his students:

Looking for her a thousand timesIn a crowd

All of a sudden

As I turned my head

There she was

Standing in the shades of fading lights

To Jeff: LOL

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