My post
A
Referee's Boycott generated quite a discussion in the comments,
particularly about Elsevier. Paul Beame asked about why the EATCS
still sponsors the
Theoretical Computer Science through
Elsevier. Don Sannella, editor-in-chief of TCS-B (Logic, Semantics and
Theory of Programming), responded to Beame and earlier comments. Paul
sent me a response to Sannella's comments. I'm reposting Sannella's
comment followed by Beame's response.
Don Sannella's Comment
Regarding the relationship between EATCS and TCS: EATCS is in the
process of changing its statutes to say that it supports the spread of
the results of research and exchange of information through scientific
publications, without specific mention of TCS or any other
journal. This decision has already been made and approved by the
membership; the only thing holding up its implementation is the fact
that EATCS is legally a Belgian organization so revision of the
statutes involve lawyers etc. I think this is an appropriate change
(speaking also as a member of the EATCS Council); the previous
situation was simply a result of the way that EATCS and TCS grew up
together and were set up by the same people, starting at a time when
there were very few journals.
Regarding criticisms of TCS:
- Copyright: There is a lot of misinformation circulating about
this issue. I have even caught one of the main advocates of open
access publishing making plainly false statements in a public talk. I
suggest that there would be more light and less heat if people would
take the trouble to find out what the actual situation is before
criticizing.
I think the main practical issue is ability of authors to publish
their work on their own websites. In this respect Elsevier's copyright
agreement is not significantly different from the ACM's, or
Springer's, unless there has been a recent change to these that I
haven't noticed. There is an explanation of this aspect of the
Elsevier copyright, by the Elsevier editor in charge of TCS, in the
Bulletin of the EATCS number 75 (Oct 2001). The EPrints
organization regards Elsevier as self-archiving-friendly
("green" status) and it reached that status before Springer
did.
- Price: I know that TCS is expensive, probably the largest item in
any Computer Science library's journal subscription budget. But it is
also very large, with 12000 pages published per year. If you look at
the price per page (here are 2004 figures from the AMS for mathematics
journals which are by the way substantially different than the price
comparison given by Wim van Dam) the cost is $0.42/page which is
comparable with other journals. This doesn't take the thousands of
pages in ENTCS, which comes free with TCS, into account. The whole
issue of journal price is complicated because the primary mode of
access these days is electronic, and prices for electronic access are
negotiated on a case-by-case basis. If you discuss the issue with
Elsevier, the statistic they will give you is that the per-download
price of an article in TCS (computed by taking the total cost of
subscriptions and dividing by the total number of downloads, I think)
is considerably less than $1. According to Elsevier, this is the
figure that librarians care about, and the fact that it is a fraction
of the cost of interlibrary loan is the key point.
- Open access:
The open access movement advocates journals that are free to
readers. In this model, the author is the one who ends up paying; this
fact is mentioned much less often and some people who advocate open
access don't appear to be aware of it. (I know of one new open-access
journal that is free to authors as well because the costs are covered
by a university, at least for the moment. The point is that somebody
needs to pay; running a journal is not a cost-free spare-time
activity. See "Guide to Business Planning for Launching a New
Open Access Journal" from the Open Society Institute.) There are
major opportunities for unfairness in the editorial process with
author-pays but otherwise the only problem I see is that with both
models co-existing, few authors with an article that would be accepted
by a "normal" journal will be willing to pay for publication
in an open access journal. Springer has recently offered authors the
choice of paying a fee in order to make a paper open access, or not
paying and leaving it as paid access. I hope they publish statistics
on how many authors decide to pay!
- Academic Press versus
Elsevier: "Academic Press had its flaws but they were not
predatory in their pricing." Well, compare AMS's 2004 figure for
Information and Computation ($1.07/page, Elsevier-owned) with its 2001
figure ($1.92/page, Academic Press-owned).
- Quality of TCS: As
editor-in-chief of TCS-B — which is admittedly probably not the
main part of interest to readers of this blog — I am responsible
for its quality. I think the quality is pretty good and
improving. Opinions on this may vary of course. At least, it is not
the case that the alleged decline in quality is because (as Paul Beame
asserts) "TCS went to a highly distributed editorial
board". The way that the TCS editorial board works has not
changed since it was founded in 1975, as far as I know. I wonder where
he gets his information. I am unhappy about the implied suggestion
that the TCS editorial board members are not exercising proper
editorial judgment.
Finally: I am not here to make excuses for Elsevier. My interest is
TCS (and EATCS) and replying to some points above that are factually
incorrect.
Paul Beame's Response
I am happy to hear about the EATCS change. Let me address the
two main points, copyright and price, as well as open access journals.
Copyright I agree that copyright is no worse at Elsevier than
at Springer (in fact Springer has gotten worse recently). Copyright
transfer is apparently not required given the following text I
received from Elsevier regarding a JCSS paper:
Recently, we sent you a Transfer of Copyright form relating to the
above-mentioned. We note that you have not yet returned a completed
form duly signed. In order to avoid any delay in publication, we ask
that you do so immediately. Attached you will find a further copy of
the form. Please return the completed and signed original of this form
by mail or fax, or a scanned copy of the signed original by e-mail.
If we do not hear from you by return, the article will carry a line in
place of the copyright line merely indicating that Elsevier published
the article.
This sounds all right BUT when I have explicitly took advantage of the
second option I noticed that when the article was published Elsevier
still explicitly claimed copyright on it!
Price Thinking about things as price per page is exactly the
problem. TCS was one of the top 2 or 3 theory journals and around
2000 pages annually until 1989 when it decided to go to bi-weekly
publication and a much larger editorial board and upped its page count
to 3500, raising its prices drastically overnight to keep the same
price per page. The average quality declined markedly at this time
as the good papers were swamped with more lower quality fare. TCS
still publishes many good papers but it is nowhere near as high
quality as it was in the 1980's when it got many of the top papers in
the field.
Moreover TCS is just one Elsevier journal. Their behavior with others
is part of the problem: In the early 90's I was deciding between
publishing in Annals of Pure and Applied Logic (Elsevier) and Journal
of Symbolic Logic (ASL). I was told that longer papers were more
appropriate for APAL and so submitted there. I made the mistake of not
checking prices: JSL was 12 issues a year, each over 300 pages, and
cost $400 or so annually. APAL had 4 issues per year, each about 250
pages, and cost more than $2000. The quality of the two was
similar.
I speak with librarians who have to purchase journals. The pricing
for electronic journals that Elsevier sets are bundled in such a way
that they feel forced to subscribe electronically to many journals
that they do not want to purchase. The comparison with
inter-library loan is absurd.
The price comparison should be with society-published journals such as the ACM and SIAM journals. These do provide the main office editorial staff that for-profit journals provide.
Open Access I agree that the long-term soundness of the open
access model is not yet fully established. (There are some things
that need to be paid for without voluntary investment beyond
refereeing and it is not yet completely clear how to do this
long-term.) However, if you want an example of an open access journal
that does not seem to suffer from the flaws you describe, consider
JAIR (the Journal of Artificial Intelligence Research) which has been
operating for more than a decade and is one of the top couple of
journals in AI.
(It may be too soon to tell about Theory of Computing
is in its infancy but it already has a very high quality of papers.)
Why is it that Elsevier regularly emphasizes the comparisons with nascent open access journals but regularly ignores comparisons with high quality society-published journals such as SIAM and ACM journals?