tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post6144488439543357634..comments2024-03-27T19:58:17.387-05:00Comments on Computational Complexity: Unrefereed DOES NOT EQUAL bogusLance Fortnowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06752030912874378610noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-39710078407088334452012-02-22T15:33:19.176-06:002012-02-22T15:33:19.176-06:00If you didn't know already, WORLDCOMP is the w...If you didn't know already, WORLDCOMP is the world's biggest fake conference (ie., bogus conference) in computer science : http://copy-shake-paste.blogspot.com/2012/02/fake-conference-worldcomp.html . The next WORLDCOMP, the 2012 World Congress in Computer Science, Computer Engineering, and Applied Computing (consists of more than twenty different conferences), July 16-19, 2012, USA, is organized by Prof. Hamid Arabnia from the University of Georgia, USA. He has been running this fake conference business (registration fee collection is the primary goal) for over a decade by accepting almost all submitted papers without any review.<br /><br />If the previous link didn't work for any reason, please visit http://sites.google.com/site/worlddump1 . <br /><br />A very brief version of FCS'11 (it is part of WORLDCOMP) is at http://compilers.iecc.com/comparch/article/11-01-119 . This link has also information about telephone threats to the person who investigated and revealed the fakeness of WORLDCOMP.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-58564618279429700032007-12-05T02:19:00.000-06:002007-12-05T02:19:00.000-06:00The comparison of computer science conferences to ...The comparison of computer science conferences to pure mathematics conferences are like comparing apples to oranges. For the most part, there is no concept of a "conference paper" in pure mathematics. Mathematicians publish almost exclusively in journals, and conference papers are mostly considered throwaways or oddities. The real purpose of conferences in mathematics is for networking and disseminating information. The AMS/MAA meeting in January is very successful for this, because it draws people from all fields of mathematics and has huge attendance. There is no corresponding event in computer science that I can think of.Alvin Anonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15268049341572923471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-39438374366614255452007-11-30T19:58:00.000-06:002007-11-30T19:58:00.000-06:00how about distinguishing a real conference from a ...<I>how about distinguishing a real conference from a fake conference by looking at whether it is for-profit or not.</I><BR/><BR/>Rumor has it that there is a city which has hosted STOC/FOCS/other conferences in which the local organizers routinely take home a handsome profit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-23990370170771101712007-11-30T11:41:00.000-06:002007-11-30T11:41:00.000-06:00To judge the quality of a conference, look at the ...To judge the quality of a conference, look at the names on the Conference Committee and Program Committee. Have you heard of them?<BR/><BR/>In the case of conferences with proceedings, you should also ask the Editorial Board members whether they voted to approve. I have heard that Springer publishes the proceedings regardless of what the Editorial Board thinks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-27475703723277435082007-11-30T00:06:00.000-06:002007-11-30T00:06:00.000-06:00looking at whether it is for-profit or notThis is ...<I>looking at whether it is for-profit or not</I><BR/><BR/>This is hard to discern. I imagine few fake conferences are actually run to make a profit for investors. What's more likely is that they are run to make a profit for the organizers, or (failing that) to provide the organizers with a superficially impressive CV and a low-paying yet easy job that involves free travel to nice places. This is entirely compatible with being a non-profit corporation in the legal sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-12464838958862539222007-11-29T13:50:00.000-06:002007-11-29T13:50:00.000-06:00Anonymous 5: How do you determine if a conference...Anonymous 5: How do you determine if a conference is for-profit or not? It was mentioned in previous comments that WORLDCOMP is bogus, for example, but there is no indication on the website that it is a for-profit conference. (Of course, I suspect that it is both bogus and for-profit)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-30949651500619767072007-11-28T21:36:00.000-06:002007-11-28T21:36:00.000-06:00Instead of focusing on "overcharging" (which is il...Instead of focusing on "overcharging" (which is ill-defined), how about distinguishing a real conference from a fake conference by looking at whether it is for-profit or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-90183751251577963142007-11-28T19:42:00.000-06:002007-11-28T19:42:00.000-06:00> Like several hundred dollars> for catered pastri...> Like several hundred dollars<BR/>> for catered pastries and light<BR/>> lunches? *cough STOC cough*<BR/><BR/>See, for example,<BR/>http://www2007.org/registration.php for real registration fees.<BR/><BR/>I've seen here many discussion on this subject and it's getting boring to see people complaining about it.<BR/>Try to organize a conference yourself and let's see what registration fee will you be able to manage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-88449965888026533422007-11-28T18:40:00.000-06:002007-11-28T18:40:00.000-06:00They seem to be overcharging OR charging for very ...<I>They seem to be overcharging OR charging for very odd things.</I><BR/><BR/>Like several hundred dollars for catered pastries and light lunches? *cough STOC cough*Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-8648897825071453952007-11-28T17:03:00.000-06:002007-11-28T17:03:00.000-06:00There's an important distinction here, between the...There's an important distinction here, between the value of a conference experience (attending talks and interacting with other attendees) and the value of a conference publication (from the refereeing or selection process). A conference can be a great experience without having any publication component, and this is the standard in mathematics. It could be a great experience with a lousy publication component, although I think that is uncommon. But no matter how great a conference is to attend, it doesn't make the proceedings a meaningful addition to your CV.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-62815446209028819562007-11-28T16:38:00.000-06:002007-11-28T16:38:00.000-06:00We in information retrieval have a "real" conferen...We in information retrieval have a "real" conference that's not refereed, and it's probably the second most important conference in the field: TREC. The reason it's unrefereed is that it's part competition, part dissemination. If you participate in the competition, you have to publish what you did, even if your method utterly failed. Thus it ends up being a nice repository of negative results as well as positive results, and since the parameters of the competition are strictly defined, anyone who pleases can try to duplicate your work. If you cheated, someone will find out eventually.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com