tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post6044081443751688347..comments2023-12-07T03:00:23.146-06:00Comments on Computational Complexity: Why does pi come up so often? I don't know either but ...Lance Fortnowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06752030912874378610noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-51161795276970899922023-02-02T08:31:21.593-06:002023-02-02T08:31:21.593-06:00Thanks for interesting history Anon@4:21, I apprec...Thanks for interesting history Anon@4:21, I appreciate your comment and links!<br />Pi as an infinite series is definitely a lot easier to explain (say to an eight year old) and has been thought about in that way for a very long time in contrast to some of the other artificial creations such as 'e' or 'golden ratio' which were primarily defined first as an infinite series; not that the latter are less useful than pi of course :-) just that natural interpretation is less tangible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-64871723485975124572023-02-01T16:21:47.945-06:002023-02-01T16:21:47.945-06:00Some of the earliest notions of limits involve app...Some of the earliest notions of limits involve approximations to pi shown by Archimedes (see e.g., https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2008/2008.07995.pdf which also has earlier references to series involving pi) and it seems that doing this motivated him to develop very calculus-like ideas (see https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/archimedes/ on their rediscovery). There was no printing press to disseminate ideas quickly but what if that had been followed up on by others at the time?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-29431694377360087112023-02-01T14:18:10.414-06:002023-02-01T14:18:10.414-06:00Excellent point -- it shows, why people should be ...Excellent point -- it shows, why people should be interested about algebraic independence of constants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebraic_independence <br />Somehow, it sounded to arbitrary to me, before seeing this way of looking at $\pi$ and $\pi^2$. <br /><br /><br /> Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03214385345519260084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-66768433578812360672023-02-01T14:15:07.480-06:002023-02-01T14:15:07.480-06:00For the sake of clarification: Basel is not a pers...For the sake of clarification: Basel is not a person, it is a city<br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basel_problemRoberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03214385345519260084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-36381100487265191312023-02-01T08:13:30.955-06:002023-02-01T08:13:30.955-06:00In a hand-wavy way if we think of a circle as the ...In a hand-wavy way if we think of a circle as the lim-sup of regular polyhedrons with number of edges doubling in each iteration the circumference (or area) of the circle could be written out as summation of difference between two adjacent polyhedrons in the sequence....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-89430299817015356382023-02-01T07:37:56.869-06:002023-02-01T07:37:56.869-06:00Some alternative histories are less believable tha...Some alternative histories are less believable than others. I would agree that mine is on the less-believable side of the spectrum. There are more believable examples of `math could have been done in a diff order' I would blog on that, though I probably already have. gasarchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03004932739846901628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-68492251043933122272023-02-01T07:36:31.532-06:002023-02-01T07:36:31.532-06:00thanks for videos!
The aliens would think we were...thanks for videos!<br /><br />The aliens would think we were idiots. Would they then help us or hurt us or ignore us or what? Not expecting an answer, just thought I would bring it up. gasarchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03004932739846901628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-75132928599404999932023-02-01T07:33:01.479-06:002023-02-01T07:33:01.479-06:00In your alternate history, someone looked at the s...In your alternate history, someone looked at the sequence 1/1^2 + 1/2^2 + 1/3^2 + ... = u =1.64993... and someone else looked at the not-so-obvious sequence 1 - 1/3 + 1/5 - 1/7 + 1/9 = v = 0.785398... and then someone somehow realized, u = 8/3 v^2, which must be important. I'm just not seeing history develop that way.Lance Fortnowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06752030912874378610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-13619526657304360182023-01-31T20:21:56.428-06:002023-01-31T20:21:56.428-06:00My favorite pi claim is that of the Tau Manifesto,...My favorite pi claim is that of the Tau Manifesto, namely that pi is the wrong circle constant. Like all good jokes, it has a lot of truth to it. The basic point is that pi is NOT the "circle constant", it's the "half circle constant". That is, pi radians only gets you half way around the circle, it takes TAU radians to get you back to where you started.<br /><br />So Euler's formula, e^ipi = -1 is bletcherous because the real beauty here is that TAU gets you all the way around, so e^iTAU = 1. There are lots of formulas where an egregious factor of 2 shows up, and those are pretty much always because we're using pi instead of the correct circle constant TAU. (Somewhat seriously, when I red the Tau Manifetso, I got a way better understanding of trig than I had doing (non-discrete) math through the required calculus courses and E&M physics.)<br /><br />To take this one step further, consider the Voyager space probes. The folks at NASA put a whole bunch of writing on it's outer hull so that if any aliens found it, they'd realize how smart we were. Including pi to a ridiculous number of decimal places. But what if said aliens had not made the mistake of using a circle constant half the sensible value and did their calculus and the like using TAU. They'd think we were idiots.<br /><br />Finally, to get back to the posted question, there are YouTube videos that explain how and why pi appears in infinite series. Here's one:<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-o3eB9sfls&ab_channel=3Blue1BrownDJLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04036156397398405817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-81923622956929482042023-01-31T20:03:45.138-06:002023-01-31T20:03:45.138-06:00Indeed, it has been argued in The Tau Manifesto:
...Indeed, it has been argued in The Tau Manifesto:<br /><br />https://tauday.com/tau-manifestogasarchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03004932739846901628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-26897194275838258072023-01-31T18:11:24.602-06:002023-01-31T18:11:24.602-06:00One might argue that 2 pi is more fundamental.One might argue that 2 pi is more fundamental.David Marcushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07084520656051241766noreply@blogger.com