tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post548110834624852686..comments2024-03-28T18:17:00.135-05:00Comments on Computational Complexity: Chrisitan Comment on the Jesus Wife Thing misses the important pointLance Fortnowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06752030912874378610noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-66537927457590147062016-08-28T21:19:06.887-05:002016-08-28T21:19:06.887-05:00My first comment (that was deleted, I don't kn...My first comment (that was deleted, I don't know why) only has exposed a very common error on assessing works into Science, namely, to consider that reputation of someone here is a function only of the behavior of that person, and not of the behavior of the entire scientific world on a determined era, too.<br /><br />More formally: All R(p) != R(p, w), where R = reputation of the person, p = person behavior, and w = scientific world behavior.<br />André Luiz Barbosahttp://www.andrebarbosa.eti.brnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-18540069048429344222016-08-27T16:00:14.888-05:002016-08-27T16:00:14.888-05:00Agreed, disagreeing does not make one a crank.
But...Agreed, disagreeing does not make one a crank.<br />But if someone claims evidence for something, and the evidence presented is not correct, and then they DO NOT retrack, then they are on the way to being a crank. <br /><br />My post is not about disagreeing with the science community (a good topic for a later post) but its about when ones claim has been totally disproven what do you do? A good scientist retracts completely.<br /><br />Yes there are many cases where someone disagrees with the science community and ends up being right. Thats because they had the evidence. Good for them!<br /><br />There are also cases where one disagrees with science commuity and is just plain wrong. These stories are not as romantic so they don't get the same publicity. GASARCHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06134382469361359081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-30439515681843134902016-08-27T16:00:10.697-05:002016-08-27T16:00:10.697-05:00Agreed, disagreeing does not make one a crank.
But...Agreed, disagreeing does not make one a crank.<br />But if someone claims evidence for something, and the evidence presented is not correct, and then they DO NOT retrack, then they are on the way to being a crank. <br /><br />My post is not about disagreeing with the science community (a good topic for a later post) but its about when ones claim has been totally disproven what do you do? A good scientist retracts completely.<br /><br />Yes there are many cases where someone disagrees with the science community and ends up being right. Thats because they had the evidence. Good for them!<br /><br />There are also cases where one disagrees with science commuity and is just plain wrong. These stories are not as romantic so they don't get the same publicity. GASARCHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06134382469361359081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-23675262936765331002016-08-27T14:15:19.428-05:002016-08-27T14:15:19.428-05:00Science does not have proofs. Science works with t...Science does not have proofs. Science works with theories and evidence and explanations. It is dangerous to think that science adheres to the same level of certainty as math does.<br /><br />A person who disagrees with established views in a scientific community is not necessarily a crank. There are many cases in the history of science where the consensus view among the experts were wrong and someone fighting against the tide was right. This is still the case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-27912826114097763782016-08-25T21:58:26.497-05:002016-08-25T21:58:26.497-05:00Different fields have different expectations of sc...Different fields have different expectations of scholars. In mathematics, for instance, it is possible to evaluate proofs for correctness and determine whether or not a published result is correct. However, I suspect that knowing publishing a complex proof that you thought was probably wrong would hurt your credibility and reputation if you stated you thought it was probably wrong when you published it.<br /><br />For something like this, where you can't easily evaluate whether or not this is a forgery, the onus is on the author to make more than a cursory effort to substantiate his or her claims. (For instance, you may need access to the original document to make a clear determination.) Add to that the fact that this is an extraordinary claim, which would attract the interest and effort of a number of scholars to evaluate these claims more rigorously. Based on this, yes, I think it hurts your reputation to make a significant claim with such little confidence in your result that you retract the claim almost as soon as you are challenged.<br /><br />Researchers who do careful work, show due diligence to validate their results, and retract unfortunate mistakes should not see their reputations suffer. But, someone who only does the third of these probably shouldn't fare as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-76594428084487348212016-08-22T22:15:30.138-05:002016-08-22T22:15:30.138-05:00Great point.
If someone makes n claims that are t...Great point.<br /><br />If someone makes n claims that are true but in each case admits they are false (after some opposition of the status quo), how big does n have to be before that person starts being a serious scientist (even after making only a very small work)?<br /><br />Obs.: "Someone" here is a normal scientist; it's not me, never, ever: I had claimed to have resolved P vs NP three times and, even worse, CH and 4CT one time each (and I never did anything correct in Science).André Luiz Barbosahttp://www.andrebarbosa.eti.brnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-14996448643306412442016-08-22T19:07:30.845-05:002016-08-22T19:07:30.845-05:00Good point.
If someone makes n claims that are fal...Good point.<br />If someone makes n claims that are false but in each case admits they are false, how big does n have to be before that person stops being a serious scientist?<br />Might depend on what types of claims they make- if they claim to have resolved P vs NP three times then that might be my limit; however, if their errors were subtle and they have done other very hard things then maybe three is too low. <br /><br />Also does someone need to do SOMETHING correct and serious to be considered a serious scientist? Prob yes.<br /><br />GASARCHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06134382469361359081noreply@blogger.com