tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post2317581170236917878..comments2024-03-28T18:17:00.135-05:00Comments on Computational Complexity: Lance Fortnowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06752030912874378610noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-5277952316468642032009-01-16T10:48:00.000-06:002009-01-16T10:48:00.000-06:00As a vocal person, I'll simply state my opinion I ...As a vocal person, I'll simply state my opinion I don't really see a problem with PC members submitting. It just means people leave the room (or don't get online access to the PC discussion) when their paper is discussed. <BR/><BR/>I've heard the argument that it "gives the appearance" of "possible impropriety", but I just don't buy it. Odds are, if your community can't handle having PC members submit papers to the conference without unfairness, there's bigger problems in your community.Michael Mitzenmacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02161161032642563814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-85733307698745210652009-01-16T09:39:00.000-06:002009-01-16T09:39:00.000-06:00We eventually decided to stick with "the standard ...<I>We eventually decided to stick with "the standard theory process".</I><BR/><BR/>This reminds me of the quip that there is nothing more conservative than the academic practices of otherwise generally progressive professors.<BR/><BR/>This is the only group of people I know who can readily posit extending human rights to whales and chimps, but consider parallel tracks and blind submissions too risky an experiment to be tried.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-73765187131027394142009-01-16T04:12:00.000-06:002009-01-16T04:12:00.000-06:00I have served in a number of PCs where we used Eas...I have served in a number of PCs where we used EasyChair for the PC meeting, and there it is impossible for a PC member to even see the discussion about his/her paper. <BR/>In that sense, a PC member is really like any other author and only receives the outcome, after the final decisions are made. <BR/><BR/>Thus, I see no real reason for disallowing submission by PC members, given the current technology.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-82506524966293413562009-01-15T22:05:00.000-06:002009-01-15T22:05:00.000-06:00The last time I remember this issue being seriousl...The last time I remember this issue being seriously discussed at SOCG was in relation to the (now defunct) applied track, back in the mid-90s. Since we were inviting people from communities where PC submissions were the norm, into a community where PC submissions were strictly forbidden, there was some initial confusion/disagreement. So in 1996, PC members on the theory track assumed they could not submit (and didn't), but PC members on the applied track assumed they could (and did). We eventually decided to stick with "the standard theory process".<BR/><BR/>The idea has been floated in passing, usually in discussions about heavy committee loads. (This year, for example, each PC member is responsible for 35-40 papers.) But, as far as I can recall, the idea never gets any traction.<BR/><BR/>And despite its appearance on my Bingo card, I've only heard the suggestion to allow PC submissions at one SODA business meeting. It was quickly shouted down.<BR/><BR/>To Anon #2: No. No submissions from PC members means no submissions where even one coauthor is a PC member. There's no such thing as an "nth coauthor"; with very few exceptions, authors of theory papers are listed alphabetically.JeffEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17633745186684887140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-57075115741531343902009-01-15T17:46:00.000-06:002009-01-15T17:46:00.000-06:00LATIN and WADS allow PC submissions.LATIN and WADS allow PC submissions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-59946245560324353832009-01-15T17:27:00.000-06:002009-01-15T17:27:00.000-06:00Personally, I see no big problem with allowing PC ...Personally, I see no big problem with allowing PC members to submit if it is handled the right way. But it is interesting that different areas of CS seem to have come up with different answers to this question, I guess mainly due to different circumstances. For example, compare theory and databases:<BR/><BR/> - DB conferences have huge committee (80+ members), theory conferences much smaller ones.<BR/><BR/> - large DB conferences do get more submissions than STOC or FOCS, but this does not alone explain the committee sizes! Each DB committee member reads much fewer papers but serves on many more committees (esp. before tenure). One can discuss if larger committees result in better or worse decisions - not clear to me.<BR/><BR/> - purely student-authored papers are more common in theory, while in DB it is sort of customary to have the advisor on every paper.<BR/><BR/>So if you run things as in theory, disallowing submissions by PC members is not a big limitation on either committee members or their students. But you can't really look at the question without also looking at committee sizes and coauthoring customs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-38248405357188148452009-01-15T17:14:00.000-06:002009-01-15T17:14:00.000-06:00I may be wrong, but I believe that LICS has disall...I may be wrong, but I believe that LICS has disallowed submissions by PC members for a while. <BR/><BR/><I>Do these conferences that disallow PC submissions make a difference between a PC member that submits a paper as the only author, or a PC member that is n-th co-author on a paper his/her grad student wrote?</I><BR/><BR/>Those I am familiar with don't make such a distinction.Luca Acetohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01092671728833265127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-57002961019901017942009-01-15T16:38:00.000-06:002009-01-15T16:38:00.000-06:00Do these conferences that disallow PC submissions ...Do these conferences that disallow PC submissions make a difference between a PC member that submits a paper as the only author, or a PC member that is n-th co-author on a paper his/her grad student wrote?<BR/><BR/>If not, I would oppose such a constraint, since it effectively disadvantages others - namely, grad students whose supervisor unfortunately is on the PC - to submit to a conference of their liking. I think this is not fair.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3722233.post-66339503396450858602009-01-15T13:51:00.000-06:002009-01-15T13:51:00.000-06:00Correction: RANDOM does allow PC submissions (at l...Correction: RANDOM does allow PC submissions (at least, RANDOM 08 did).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com